{"id":106,"date":"2019-05-24T01:06:19","date_gmt":"2019-05-23T23:06:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.sramkuvpisek.cz\/?p=106"},"modified":"2019-05-24T01:08:02","modified_gmt":"2019-05-23T23:08:02","slug":"a-lide-ziji","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.sramkuvpisek.cz\/index.php\/2019\/05\/24\/a-lide-ziji\/","title":{"rendered":"A lid\u00e9 \u017eij\u00ed…"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Rozhovor s ideov\u00fdm leaderem divadla a ru\u010dn\u00edho nakladatelstv\u00ed Te\u010f, n\u00e1dech a le\u0165, Davidem Zelinkou.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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1. Jak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem se u V\u00e1s vyv\u00edjela n\u00e1klonnost k dokument\u00e1rn\u00edmu divadlu?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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St\u00e1le m\u00e9n\u011b si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee d\u011bl\u00e1me dokument\u00e1rn\u00ed divadlo, proto\u017ee to podstatn\u00e9, co n\u00e1s v ka\u017ed\u00e9 inscenaci zaj\u00edm\u00e1, je v\u017edy mimo prostor a \u010das dokumentu. Mo\u017en\u00e1 dokument situace \u010dlov\u011bka. Pak je asi p\u0159irozen\u00e9, \u017ee neka\u017edodenn\u00ed rysy a projevy (pro n\u00e1s) se vyjevuj\u00ed v neka\u017edodenn\u00edch pro n\u00e1s situac\u00edch a \u201esv\u011btech\u201c. Setk\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed s lidmi v t\u011bchto \u201ejin\u00fdch\u201c sv\u011btech vedlo ke zji\u0161t\u011bn\u00ed, \u017ee tam je n\u011bjak\u00e1 hlub\u0161\u00ed \u201epravda\u201c o \u017eivot\u011b. Rostla zku\u0161enost, kter\u00e1 se nevm\u011bstn\u00e1vala do dom\u00e1c\u00edch \u201eobzor\u016f\u201c. Divadlo pak bylo dobr\u00fdm prost\u0159edkem, jak s tou zku\u0161enost\u00ed b\u00fdt, formulovat ji, vn\u00e1\u0161et ji sem a vpisovat do na\u0161eho \u201esv\u011bta\u201c.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u010c\u00e1ste\u010dn\u011b to za\u010dalo v S\u00fdrii, kde jsem m\u011bl n\u011bkolik p\u0159\u00e1tel. Kdy\u017e za\u010dala v\u00e1lka, na Skypeu mi vypr\u00e1v\u011bli \u2013 lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed jsou \u017eivotem, tu\u017ebami, sny \u00fapln\u011b stejn\u00ed jako my \u2013 jak m\u011bli deset minut na to, aby si sbalili, co jim p\u0159ipad\u00e1 pot\u0159ebn\u00e9 (a vejde se do jednoho kufru), a opustili domov, do kter\u00e9ho se nikdy nevr\u00e1t\u00ed. V televizi se tehdy mluvilo o po\u010dtech uprchl\u00edk\u016f. A tak jsme cht\u011bli vypr\u00e1v\u011bt jejich p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh. Na turecko-syrsk\u00e9 hranici, kam jsme jeli potk\u00e1vat dal\u0161\u00ed \u201euprchl\u00edky\u201c jsem si uv\u011bdomil dvojakost: jejich situace, kdy nemaj\u00ed nic ne\u017e to, co maj\u00ed po kaps\u00e1ch a v batohu, je stra\u0161n\u00e1, ale v obecn\u00e9 rovin\u011b \u2013 je tak\u00e9 zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u011b o\u010distn\u00e1, nad\u011bjn\u00e1, ukazuje, \u010d\u00edm je \u017eivot v sam\u00e9 podstat\u011b. A oni se v tom dovedli radovat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

2. M\u00e1 va\u0161e um\u011bleck\u00e9 sm\u011b\u0159ov\u00e1n\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00e9 z\u00e1sadn\u00ed ideov\u00e9 \u010di poetick\u00e9 vzory?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Z t\u011bch ideov\u00fdch, tedy nedosa\u017eiteln\u00fdch, ale st\u00e1le vyzna\u010duj\u00edc\u00edch sm\u011br, jsou to nap\u0159\u00edklad:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Andrej Tarkovskij my\u0161lenkami o smyslu um\u011bn\u00ed a posl\u00e1n\u00ed um\u011blce,<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Peter Brook (spolu s G. I. Gurd\u017eijevem) neust\u00e1l\u00fdm dob\u00edr\u00e1n\u00edm se toho, co je forma a co podstata v\u011bci, a o\u010di\u0161\u0165ov\u00e1n\u00edm formy a\u017e k podstat\u011b,<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pina Bausch p\u0159\u00edstupem k \u010dlov\u011bku, odhalov\u00e1n\u00edm \u010dlov\u011bka.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Z poetick\u00fdch Tony Gatlif, jak p\u0159edstavuje nejr\u016fzn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed odpadl\u00edky a vyvrhele tak, \u017ee je nelze ne\u017e milovat v jejich nemo\u017enosti, nesnesitelnosti, neuchopitelnosti. A hudebnost\u00ed, kdy hudba \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 to, co nezmohou slova a logika, a v\u017edy toho \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 nejv\u00edc. A mistrn\u00fdm zach\u00e1zen\u00edm s k\u00fd\u010dem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

4. Pat\u0159\u00ed v\u016fbec do dokument\u00e1rn\u00edho divadla stylizace \u010di metafora, a pro\u010d?<\/strong>
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Podle mne zcela jist\u011b pat\u0159\u00ed, proto\u017ee pouh\u00fdmi fakty se d\u00e1 pojmout jenom mal\u00e1 \u010d\u00e1st dokument\u00e1rn\u00ed \u201eskute\u010dnosti\u201c. Z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed tak\u00e9, co je c\u00edlem dokumentu, nakolik jenom informovat o situaci, nakolik ji p\u0159ev\u00e9st do kontextu, do obecn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed zku\u0161enosti \u2013 rozv\u00e9st ji v prostoru a \u010dase. A nakolik je st\u0159edem z\u00e1jmu \u010dlov\u011bk. \u010c\u00edm v\u00edce jde o zku\u0161enost, o \u010dlov\u011bka, t\u00edm v\u00edce je (asi) t\u0159eba stylizac\u00ed, metafor \u2013 pokud vypl\u00fdvaj\u00ed z pot\u0159eby dob\u00edrat se pravdy, ne z um\u011bleck\u00fdch ambic\u00ed nebo tvo\u0159ivosti. (P\u0159i\u0161lo mi paradoxn\u00ed kdy\u017e se organiz\u00e1to\u0159i festivalu Jeden sv\u011bt rozpl\u00fdvali nad t\u00edm, jak inspiruj\u00edc\u00ed a r\u016fznorod\u00e9 formy<\/strong> nab\u00edraj\u00ed v posledn\u00ed dob\u011b dokumenty o v\u00e1lce v S\u00fdrii).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

3. Jak\u00e9 specifick\u00e9 n\u00e1roky klade podle V\u00e1s tento \u017e\u00e1nr na hereck\u00e9 p\u0159edstavitele, respektive na re\u017eii?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

T\u011b\u017eko \u0159\u00edci, proto\u017ee jsme je nikdy nedefinovali. V\u017edy n\u00e1m p\u0159i\u0161lo d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9, aby \u010dlov\u011bk (v roli herce) v\u011bd\u011bl pro\u010d a co d\u011bl\u00e1, m\u011bl pot\u0159ebu dob\u00edrat se podstaty a ne dr\u017eet se forem. Kdy\u017e m\u00e1 k tomu divadeln\u00ed z\u00e1zem\u00ed, \u0159emeslo, a ochotu v\u0161echno, co se nau\u010dil odhodit \u2013 ve prosp\u011bch rozum\u011bn\u00ed t\u011bm, jejich\u017e jm\u00e9nem vypr\u00e1v\u00ed (tedy i rozum\u011bn\u00ed sob\u011b), je to skoro ide\u00e1ln\u00ed stav. A to \u201eodhozen\u00e9\u201c \u0159emeslo se pak samo vrac\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

5. \u010c\u00edm byly specifick\u00e9 okolnosti vzniku inscenace A lid\u00e9 \u017eij\u00ed. Abdul?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Nev\u00edm, asi ni\u010d\u00edm. Byl z\u00e1kladn\u00ed materi\u00e1l, nad n\u00edm jsme si po\u0159\u00e1d p\u0159ipom\u00ednali, co je podstatn\u00e9, o co n\u00e1m jde, p\u0159id\u00e1vali jsme, odeb\u00edrali, a\u017e vzniklo to, co je.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Specifick\u00e9 bylo setk\u00e1n\u00ed s pan\u00ed R\u00f3zou, \u010ce\u010denkou, kter\u00e1 cel\u00fd \u017eivot, i ob\u011b v\u00e1lky pro\u017eila (a \u017eije) v Grozn\u00e9m. Vypr\u00e1v\u011bla skoro \u010dty\u0159i hodiny, ani\u017e by ztr\u00e1cela plnou pozornost \u2013 kdo z herc\u016f to dok\u00e1\u017ee (a nen\u00ed to jen t\u00edm, \u017ee ona m\u00e1 za sebou pro\u017eitou zku\u0161enost, je to v\u011bdom\u00e1 pr\u00e1ce, vztah k \u017eivotu). Natolik se t\u011b\u0161ila byt\u00edm te\u010f a tady, z\u00e1\u0159ila, \u017ee ani nejstra\u0161n\u011bj\u0161\u00ed v\u011bci, kter\u00e9 vypr\u00e1v\u011bla, net\u00ed\u017eily v\u00edce ne\u017e n\u011bco, co bylo, pominulo \u2013 a dbejme, a\u0165 se m\u00e1me, jak nejl\u00e9pe se d\u00e1. A tak vlastn\u011b tak\u00e9 pat\u0159\u00ed k t\u011bm vzor\u016fm, ide\u00e1l\u016fm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Za komplexn\u00ed odpov\u011bdi d\u011bkuji V\u00e1m velmi!<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Petr KlariN Kl\u00e1r<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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